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Re: Set evolution during 1968 season
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2013, 11:32:55 PM »
Took a look back to check on the fish tank...

E0021 / E0085 - No fish tank
E0089 / E0090 / E0092 - Filming never ventures past the stoplight so I can't confirm one way or the other

I'll get back to you on the stoplight details when I get a chance. Hopefully in the next day or two.

Thanks.  I'm guessing that they removed the fish tank when they shot episodes 21 and 85.  Did the set in those 2 episodes resemble the post-87 set in all other ways, besides the fish tank?  I'm guessing when they shot 89, 90, and 92 they intentionally avoided shooting where the fish tank would be.  Are those the only post-87 episodes where Fred does not feed the fish?

I look forward to your response about the traffic light when you get a chance.  Thanks.

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Re: Set evolution during 1968 season
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2013, 03:44:56 PM »
Okay...let me see if I can answer a few of your questions about changes in the traffic light.

Looking back, I'm not sure that this is four different light but rather the same light moved to different locations on the set. Depending on its location, the cord may or may not be visible. Also, another major difference is that in some episodes, each light has a cover and in others there are no covers. Either way, here's what I'm finding...

Episodes 1-8 -- Covers over each light
Episodes 9-130 -- No covers over the lights
Episode 1001 -- Covers over the lights

Unless I'm missing something, I truly don't think that this is four different lights that are used throughout the run of the show. I seems more likely that it's the same light in different positions and with/without the light covers.

As for the light being green in Episode 1001, it is flashing yellow as usual when the episode begins but is seems that the green light is on as well. The green is somewhat faint so I'm guessing it's actually the reflection off studio lights that are making is look like it's on. Maybe?

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Re: Set evolution during 1968 season
« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2013, 06:20:57 PM »
Okay...let me see if I can answer a few of your questions about changes in the traffic light.

Looking back, I'm not sure that this is four different light but rather the same light moved to different locations on the set. Depending on its location, the cord may or may not be visible. Also, another major difference is that in some episodes, each light has a cover and in others there are no covers. Either way, here's what I'm finding...

Although, the one in the later 1968 episodes without the covers looks bigger than the one in th early 1968 episodes with the covers.  Also, if you look closely, there were at least 2 different traffic lights used in the color episodes: the one in 1001-1070 has bigger covers than the one in 1076-1765 (don't know about 1071-1075).  It's possible that this is the same as the one in the late 1968 episodes, and that they just added big covers for 1001-1070 and smaller covers for 1076-1765.  Can you confirm if this is accurate?

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Episodes 1-8 -- Covers over each light
Episodes 9-130 -- No covers over the lights

Remember, Episode 9 was shot much later than other episodes from that era.  What version of the traffic light do Episodes 10, 11, and 12 have?  Was the one without the covers used from all of 13 through 130?

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Episode 1001 -- Covers over the lights

Am I correct that the covers are much bigger than the ones in 1076-1765?  Do you have access to 1071-1075 yet?

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Unless I'm missing something, I truly don't think that this is four different lights that are used throughout the run of the show. I seems more likely that it's the same light in different positions and with/without the light covers.

Isn't the one used in Episodes 1-8 (and probably 10-12) much smaller than the one used in 9 and 13-130?  Again, it's possible that the one used in 13-130 is the same as the one in 1001-1070 and 1076-1765 with various sized covers added.

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As for the light being green in Episode 1001, it is flashing yellow as usual when the episode begins but is seems that the green light is on as well. The green is somewhat faint so I'm guessing it's actually the reflection off studio lights that are making is look like it's on. Maybe?

Sorry if I wasn't clear.  In every color episode I've seen, during the actual episode (not the opening), the light is green.  It flashes yellow during the opening.  In the black and white episodes that I've seen, the light remains yellow during the episode.  Was 130 the last episode where it remained yellow?  And was 1001 the first episode where it was green?  Or did it become green sometime during the black and white season?  Or did it remain yellow during at least part of the 1969 season?  The earliest color episode I've ever seen is 1066, and it was definitely green then.

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Re: Set evolution during 1968 season
« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2013, 07:47:54 PM »
Everything from episode 9 and beyond seems to have the light with no covers. The other stuff I'll have to check into and get back to you when I can.

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Re: Set evolution during 1968 season
« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2013, 09:00:26 PM »
Everything from episode 9 and beyond seems to have the light with no covers. The other stuff I'll have to check into and get back to you when I can.

True; from your picture, Episode 12 doesn't look like it has the covers.  But it looks like the smaller traffic light used in Episodes 1-8.  Or does it just appear that way since it's at a distance in your picture?

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Re: Set evolution during 1968 season
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2013, 08:05:55 AM »
085: 5/9/68 (aired 6/14)

I wonder if the late taping of 85 would be the explanation for the continuity break in the NOM story arc? In Tim's notes for 86, he says that even though King Friday was still gone for a while, he was back briefly in 85 at the castle.

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Re: Set evolution during 1968 season
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2013, 08:50:01 PM »
085: 5/9/68 (aired 6/14)

I wonder if the late taping of 85 would be the explanation for the continuity break in the NOM story arc? In Tim's notes for 86, he says that even though King Friday was still gone for a while, he was back briefly in 85 at the castle.

It seems that the 1968 season, in general, was very sloppy.  In Episode 2, when Lady Aberlin knocks on Fred's door, Fred says (to the kids watching the show) "Guess who's there".  But Lady Aberlin had not yet been seen or mentioned, so there is no way that kids watching that episode when it first aired could have possibly known it was her!  And then in Episode 5, Fred says that from now on, Betty will be referred to as Lady Aberlin, even though the name Lady Aberlin was used earlier, including Episode 2.

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Re: Set evolution during 1968 season
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2013, 04:53:53 PM »
102: 6/10/68 (aired 7/9)
097: 6/10/68 (aired 7/2)
095: 6/6/68 (aired 6/28)
096: 6/5/68 (aired 7/1)
094: 6/5/68 (aired 6/27)


This must've been a hard time for Rogers to be taping any normal episodes, since June 7, 1968 was when the RFK Assasination special premiered, and he worked overnight to conjure it up.